ROOFING ICE AND WATER SHIELD: WHAT YOUR ROOFER HIDES FROM YOU?
ROOFING ICE AND WATER SHIELD: WHAT YOUR ROOFER HIDES FROM YOU?
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00:11 Topic of discussion – Ice and water barriers
00:29 Brand intro
00:33 Conversation with sales rep about cost differences with ice & water barrier material
02:00 What is an ice and water barrier
IMPORTANT DETAILS TO KNOW ABOUT ICE AND WATER BARRIERS
03:34 #1 Cost differences with ice and water shield (Home Depot Case Study)
06:25 #2 Careless and ignorant contractors
07:40 #3 You might be getting a material downgrade without knowing it
10:02 #4 Talk to your contractor about the roofing warranty
QUESTIONS TO ASK YOUR CONTRACTOR
11:34 #1 Ask your contractor which ice and water barrier they plan to use
12:42 #2 Ask your contractor if they plan to use materials of the same brand
13:22 #3 Ask your contractor why they install the brand that they do
14:41 Conclusion
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We use sbs modified reinforced SA on valleys. For better protection om valley while working on them.
Don’t forget to check with your local Building Dept. to see if a permit is required for re-roof. We require a permit to ensure that the contractor is licensed and bonded, that they install drip edge as required by the IRC, that existing or new plywood is installed in the correct orientation and nailed to the minimum requirements, and to check if they have installed the proper venting. Don’t trust a contractor that wants to skirt around the rules.
Why not show the difference? More granular? Adhesive better? What’s the difference?
When you gave your opinion on shingles (good/better/best) you demonstrated visually why one was better than another. This video didn’t teach the homeowner why they need a high performance product.
Hard to do a review on products and let the public know that the brand you are installing has an inferior product. OC as well as all others have entry level ice and water that should not be installed up north.
The reason he didn’t mention the difference is, because it all does the same thing. Kind of seemed like he was beating around the bush. Expensive ice and water doesn’t give you a better roof, but it is required with some warrantys, good selling point, and is SOMETIMES safer. Any actual roof installers know that roof ventilation and proper installation are 100 times more important than ice and water brand. I don’t agree with a lot of this video.
This video had different purpose: for home owner to ask contractor what ice and water he uses because many don’t specify.
We are working on ice and water barrier guide, but there are so many brands in so many markets, we can’t review 100 products. But we want contractors to be transparent about brands they use and price they pay and home owners to be aware about those who are cheating by j stalking cheap to cut corners and increase profits.
Dmitry,
When my wife & I did the tear-off, sheathing inspection & de-nailing of our 1875 sq. ft. homes roof, I decided I wanted to do the best job we could.
Sometimes we have wind gusts in S.W. Oregon that can exceed 60 MPH. During the tear-off, we noticed dozens of nails had worked their way up & right through the shingles overlaying them. They were electroplated and didn’t grip very well. I couldn’t find hot-dip galvanized for coil guns, so I went with a barbed / serrated stainless steel type that are typically used along the coast near saltwater. Kind of expensive, but I only wanted to do this once. Some times we get heavy snow. One year 32 in. on the ground.
Our roof is a 3 in 12 pitch, so it’s not very steep. I bought the best Ice & water shield that Grace makes and did the entire roof with it, wrapping it over the edges to be covered by the rake and drip-edges, trimmed off at the bottom edges. Used Owens Corning Oak ridge 50 yr. warrantied shingles, 1/2 in. beyond the drip-edge supported by the roll out starter course. Used a 50 yr. warrantied butyl rubber shingle adhesive under the shingles around the entire perimeter to prevent wind from lifting off shingles. I only wanted to do this once and sleep well at night.
Cost for all the materials was about $3,800, took the wife and I about 5 days to do the whole job. ( She is such a trooper! She layed ’em out while I nailed ’em down and we’re both in our 60’s . )
dude…I think that is fantastic. I’m in my 60’s and a hardcore DIYer, but reroofing my 2 story house (in SW Idaho) is too much for me. I bow to you sir, as I am not worthy…
What needs to be talked about is the future of roofing and ice&water. A lot of the ice&water brands out there melt to the shingles and become impossible to separate. We are now starting to tearoff these roofs and are finding it to take twice the amount of time to remove shingles and you cannot get all the shingle off. This needs to be addressed. I also am a bigger fan of less ice&water and use a higher grade of synthetic felt. Also make sure venting and insulation are appropriate.
@mark ymark A flat roof membrane Never put shingles on this low of a pitch
I am doing a carport that is under 2/12. What do you recommend?
A lot of hacks cut the shingle tabs leave the nails and top half and go over with more cheap ice shield. And get a lot of work.
All the new homes I reroof early to mid 2000s have this exact problem. I always check and I have to charge more for the tear off. Rarely are any homes properly vented or insulated. Some that have the whole roof ice and watered still leak lol on the lower slopes at least
Vancouver B.C.
We are so lucky,
No hail, no crazy snow or ice.
No crazy upgrades that roofs don’t need.
Stay away from IKO
In the triad NC the majority of roofers dont even know what ice and water shield is or drip edge or starter . Makes it easy for us to thrive
I will be showing this to all my new clients from now on. You explained it very well. I always tell my clients that my GAF storm guard is my secondary insurance that helps me sleep at night lol
I’ve been told the Resisto product for a ice and water barrier is used a lot in the Midwest. Price point it is around 50 – 55 bucks a roll. Not much for reviews on this Canadian product. What are your thoughts on this product if you have used it? This is what the Contractor said they use, although it took him a couple days to get back to me since he didn’t know what brands they use.
Amber Kirkham resisto is on par with the GAF ice and water sold at Home Depot or IKO stormshield. They have a granular version and then one similar to grace but thinner.
In Southern California I’ve always used peel & stick, 3’ wide, in valleys & almost never anywhere else at a cost of $90-$100 per 2 sq roll..Since 1985 have had no leaks in valleys..90% of my roofs got Lifetime workmanship warranties..
When it is time for tear-off, how do you remove the old ice-guard? I think there should be a product that does not stick to the roof, but instead seals to the nails. A reversed ice-guard basically.
@Alex Partridge Grace used to bond to the shingles the worst but they did change something over the years
Grace or UDL smooth surface products are the best to use. The shingles don’t stick and you can go over top. Shingles stick to the granular type ice and water and make stripping a lot harder if you get get every bit of shingle off. You could put synthetic or felt over top the ice and water for future re Roofs. Good luck trying the get ice and water of plywood. You’d need to re sheet the roof and good luck getting homeowners to pay for this. It’s hard to educate. In a lot of circumstances more ice and water isn’t the best solution.
You only need to remove a strip over the drip edge and make sure the replacement gets a good new seal. I’ve never heard a good reason for removing every bit of old products.
What kind of shitty contractors do this . This makes me feel way better about how I run my business . Roofing insights you will be interviewing me soon buddy . I know it and I’m calling it now
Thanks for all your videos. I have to say i disagree with most of this video. First off you are putting fear into customers that they will be ripped off by their roofing contractor, why do that? As far as warranty, OC warranty lets you submit which OC products you used when you register the warranty. If you only used OC shingles and hip and ridge, thats what gets a warranty. Watch from 6:30 and you go from telling us the differences between high end and low end ice and water shield is “stickiness” and then ramble on about how the higher cost product is less slippery to work on. If anything Grace is the most slippery, have you personally ever worked on any ice and water shield ??? Are there any actual tests between grades of ice and water or are you using the “More expensive means better quality” approach. Please talk about the importance of installing synthetic over the ice and water shield so the next company to do the roof is not replacing plywood or spending hours prying shingles off, which you can never get it all. We are all coming into this where ice and water was put everywhere. Complete nightmare to try and get the shingles off. Up selling to a premium ice and water is a sales tactic. Thats what homeowners should be told. I apologize to rag on this but I feel the tone of the video is to only use “premium + expensive” ice and water shield or your roof will fail and that a Contractor who does not use it will not do a good job.
Totally agree. Lots of peel + stick everywhere = we have to rip off the osb and replace with new costing the clients huge degraded plywood replacement charges. Otherwise the new roof is garbage as you have shingles over a lumpy mess. Anyone know of an Ico brand that doesn’t bund to shingles?
Your right about the grace. Very slippery. All the roofers are using ice shield now. Most of the roofs were tearing off we’re just done with felt and it worked for all those years. Everyone is brainwashing customers with ice shield. Not sure it’s needed in most cases. I do all me roofs with Deckbase at the eaves and valleys and have no issues.
Roofing Insights I agree with that.
Never in Video we recommend or suggest “upgrade” or “upsell” but the truth is that many home owners are paying for premium and getting economy.
We don’t install most expensive because we don’t believe in it, but we believe in transparency about all materials.
Funny, I just asked about this yesterday. Thats fast !
Do you require on a 11/12 pitched roof?
I think you should also point out regional differences. For instance where I live in Michigan we really do not get much snow. Ice and water for its original purpose (ice dams) is overkill. We still use it but for me its true importance is in valleys, walls and protrusions. Also I may show my age here a bit but I was just starting roofing when we started using ice and water in roofing so have had the ability to see the pros and cons of the different brands over the long haul. Grace has had just as many issues as winterguard bro. And usually any failures are due to installation errors, like putting on under drip edge instead of on top. Also if your customers are getting ice dams their insulation is the issue that needs addressing.
If your counting on ice and water to keep your roof from leaking you did something wrong in the first place.In alot of climates and roof applications ice and water isnt even needed.
Agreed but since 85 I’ve always used peel & stick in valleys..
This really only holds true in cold climates. In the south you only do the valleys, no ice daming etc. So more like 1-3 rolls max on a roof. Gable has none of course
@Jason Bowe Again only in cold climates.
Gable should definitely have I & W…..st least half sheet to protect from wind driven rains.
Demitry,
Do you have a checklist of all the items that should be in the roofing contract?
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I’m a Florida home inspector, I really enjoy your videos. I feel like I’ve tapped into a wealth of knowledge that helps me in my trade, thank you.
Hey bro I think that guy at the beginning might stealing your ice and water shield. 8 rolls on a 20sq roof? Yikes. Check his garage!!